Sometimes we have to be the candle as well. I know in my experience with student populations, they are so easily discouraged, don't have a back up plan and let "life" get in the way of their success. I don't mean to sound critical. I think that people who may have gone through their educational process were taught differently (or maybe we've forgotten about the "good times" of being a broke student, possibly no job and regular transportation issues). I am reminded of the lesson of teach something like it's the first time you had to learn it yourself. I feel this little dittie is a valuable lesson to remember regarding our students and engaging them, sparking that fire that keeps the candle burning and keeps instructors and those in education from getting "burned out" themselves. Just a thought to knock around. Thanks, Karen Rich