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Some young students think they know what is important

And to that end, tend to skim over things, trying to get to what they want to do fast.

I am older than probably anyone reading this, I retired a long time ago from industry, I was an Engineer and Systems designer and programmer, and teach Algebra because I like it, know it cold, and enjoy challenging younger students who "think they know what is important".

Usually they don't. One fellow, when contacted about his failing grade [not much work turned in] told me that he was very busy concentrating upon the details a computer game that he was involved in, a complex game indeed, he said, with pride. I asked him what he was in school for, and he said to learn how to create games and sell them to make a lot of money. We got into a discussion about it, and I tried to make the points that
1. When he goes to look for a job, the boss or interviewer will ask him questions designed to look beyond his immediate knowledge of current software and games, trying to see if he delved at all into the math underlying that software.
2. I talked about how a figure recedes into the distance to a visual point in the background, like as if in a cube that is drawn as an isometric figure in 2D that looks like 3D, and how the equations of the straight lines [y=mx+b, m=slope and b=y intercept] making up that cube change in their slope and y intercept [which he knew the definitions of from earlier reading] such that the cube [and anything, like a figure of a man inside that cube] seems to have action and moves away and to the right and left, as one changes the visual point[s] in the background and slides the face of the cube back and forth along the lines.
3. Motion, like in a moving picture, or in an action game, is really just a series of snapshots of fixed frames that each change a little [as described above in 2.], and when played back fast in sequence, fools the brain into thinking there is motion up there on the screen.

All this kind of blew his mind, and at the appropriate time, I suggested he might like to review the chat archive I had out there, that illustrated that action with a cube and showed all the straight line equations, and how they changed over time to make the cube appear to be moving in and out of the foreground and moving left or right.

Later, he responded with an email that basically made my day. He said that he never really understood how the software worked before, he still didn't, but he now has an idea of how, and he now realizes how important it is to understand the basics of Algebra.

He passed with a B.

This is a success story, but my real reason for posting is that I don't know how to handle those that do NOT have such an intense drive towards something particular, that I can exploit. I try to give them examples of Algebra and Math in their everyday lives, and this helps. But what I am looking for here, are some new [to me] ideas on how to activate an interest in Algebra, when most students find it dull, non-useful, a required Ed course so they can take their courses of specialty that they really want to take.

I have tried relating to them about getting a job, that Math and English are basic core subjects that must be mastered for any career to be successful, so that one can move beyond the rest with whom they are competing, and make bigger bucks, too. If they have poor grammar and can't spell, and can't do math and basic Algebra, they will be limited in their advancement possibilities in ANY field. These are basics that any job beyond physical labor requires.

Any other thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks

Donald,
Thank you for these excellent comments in relation to helping to "sell" the value of the content that is being offered. You are doing the right things in terms of giving examples and making applications. I teach a required gen ed course and I face the challenge you have each time I teach the course. I strive to help them to see how they can transfer what they have learned in the course to other settings. With some I have success and others I don't. In spite of the setbacks I still strive to bring passion for my content and enthusiasm for teaching to each and every class I teach. You are doing such yourself and I commend you for your efforts.
Thank you for the example of your student's success. I love hearing stories like this. Gets me excited about the opportunities we have to shape the lives of our students.
Gary

Gary Meers, Ed.D.

Thanks, Gary. My hope is that some other instructors will have specific ideas on things to do, that somehow tie together instructor experience with technique and course content in a way that unmotivated students need to spark them into using their own creativity and imagination to tackle the course material.

The saying that a person's perception is their reality is so true. What is important to others may be the most trivial thing to someone else. I have the very same problem as an adult learner myself. Just juggling two careers, two classes, and three children requires me to sacrifice at least one thing. That thing is often my classes. I enjoyed your post.

Regards,

Tirrell Anthony

Tirrell,
Thank you for these comments on how you are striving to better your life and that of your family through hard work and a lot of effort. You are a role model for your students because you are a living example of how it can be done. I wish you continued success in all your efforts.
Gary

Gary Meers, Ed.D.

Tirrell:

So true, but what many have not learned is that they can exceed their perceived limits if they truly want to. You have to know this from experience before you can consciously alter and expand your old perceptions. When a student/instructor is stretched to the physical limits, like you are, it is very difficult to do that, and usually leads to too little sleep, which has many negative results.

I will always be looking for ways to help students want to exceed their limits, because, when they do, then they will develop more efficient ways to learn and expand what they can accomplish and also get better at prioritizing their time.

Thanks for your comments.

Don Kraska

Tirrell, What I am seeing in students these days are people like yourself, not just a student taking a few course but balancing a job and family as well. I agree that many times students have to make sacrifices and they will not put effort into something they don't feel is necessary. It is our job just as Don is doing to make our subjects relate to the student's present and future so they can see the importance. I don't really know the magic strategy needed to produce this but as teachers we can not give up.

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