John, Thanks again for you posts. The big difference between the "placed" and "not placed" definitions with the TWC are that Placed is where the graduate states (on completer survey form or via phone) that the school directly helped them get their job in their field of study and; "not placed" is when the graduate indicates that they obtained the job without direct assistance from the school. The biggest challenge in obtaining graduate cooperation is not the follow up after graduation, but the overall relationship with the student starting at the beginning of their studies. JP Mehlmann