Hi Barry: I totally agree with that position (and yes, this thread has gone off tangent). When students want it bad enough, they will give themselves to it. Turning back toward the topic at hand, two-hour stretches of anything are rough at night, particularly after a full day's work and what not. The concern that I'm hearing is that "if we don't get the content out while the students are still awake, they will miss it". And while keeping the variety going and the class interesting, particularly when students are in the drone-zone is important, there is also the need to encourage students and remind them that while night school is tough, it is what they signed up to do and the right path to improving their lives. The key is to not give in when things get tough. -R