Joy, As I teach a gen ed course that is required for state certification I can relate to your comments. Students when they first come into the class see no value in what I am teaching, they just want to gut it out and pass, period. Through the earning of their respect and the development of rapport I am able to gain their confidence and trust to the point that they see what I am teaching can actually be used in their careers. Fun to convince them of the value of the course but it is a lot of work and takes the human factor in teaching to help "sell" them on the content. Gary Gary Meers, Ed.D.