Hi Carl, I start by first talking individually with the students that have such attitudes. I try to learn from them why they feel they way they do. Then I ask for their help in making the course better fit their needs. This request often results in their taking a more active role in the course because they have been asked to play a part in the course. If they still retain such an attitude I treat them as I do all other students but I concentrate on my students that are invested in the course because they are the ones that are going to be successful once they enter their career field. Gary