Hi Kerry: GE students will give that story a lot. I use an example of learning to drive a car. Do we not need maps? How about reading road or directional signs? Do the car's guages mean anything? So, if learning to drive a car is the "vocational" part, then there are expanded, related, or useful things we can learn about that don't directly have to do with the vocation (maps, signs, guages). But those topics certainly positively contribute to the basic vocation, don't they? They help us be better drivers. I'm sure you use similar examples to get them to see the importance of a seemingly unrelated topic. Regards, Barry